Cemetery Reports: How to Handle Re-interments with One Memorial?

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Background. There are four cemetery reports generated weekly and hosted on WT+. There's two for USBH, which I'm unfamiliar with and not intending to bring up today, and two which I'm focusing on:

  • Cemetery Report. This one primarily helps identify categories on WT that need to be created or fixed.
  • Find A Grave Report. This one primarily helps identify profiles that could be categorized into a WT cemetery category.

Cemeteries progress through stages from "missing" to eventually "linked" (on the former report) or "complete" (on the latter report). There's several cemetery exception statuses that indicate issues may be present, but for this question I'm focusing on the "multiple" status. Multiple indicates that that there's a profile in the category where the category ID on WikiTree and the cemetery ID on Find A Grave don't match.

This is really helpful for easily spotting profiles that were accidentally added to "St. James Church Cemetery" when the person is really buried in "St. James Old Church Cemetery" a quarter mile down the road. Or when there's 8 different Odd Fellows cemeteries in a county and the wrong one was entered.

Disclaimer. There's some... sincerely-held... opinions on Find A Grave and on categorization preferences. Let's try to leave those at the door for this discussion.

Question. Folks who have been disinterred and reinterred – e.g., repatriated casualties of war, cities that shut down and moved entire cemeteries to reclaim land, etc. – will quite often only have one memorial and be placed in both the old and new cemetery categories. This will force the cemetery into "multiple" status permanently, forever preventing it from getting to "linked", "partial", or "complete" statuses. It's also a beacon drawing in attention to a fix that's not needed. Is there a technological remedy available? Perhaps something like the sameas=true param that lets WT+ know "this is fine, a human has reviewed/confirmed it"?

WikiTree profile: Raymond Stein
in WikiTree Tech by Jeff Ikeler G2G6 Mach 2 (21.3k points)
I think the ability to use more than one cemetery category or at least being able to reference between burials is a great idea.

Last week I had worked on two profiles to which that applies. The first was a war casualty who was buried in Europe during the war and five years later reinterred in his home state.

The other was a gentleman from Iowa who died on the east coast. There are two FG memorials, two cemeteries for him. I found the explanation (provided by a University publication) explaining that one was a memorial and the other the actual burial (I donʻt recall which).

And, in my town there is a memorial near a church that looks like a grave site and (at least at one time) was on FG as the grave. The grave is actually in the grave yard of the Jodo Mission three miles away.

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Maybe this will be helpful.

On Find a Grave, the original burial site memorial can be categorized as a Cenotaph. Per their instructions, one doesn't list family members on this memorial, but can link to the later memorial.

You can see how I did this after requested the 2 memorials in question be transferred to me.

The original burial site, now cenotaph:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/111972047/johann-schmitt

The final burial site and memorial:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/206043691/johann_john-schmitt

by Laurel Tossy G2G1 (1.7k points)

This is helpful and great info. One set of my grandparents have both a cenotaph and a monument each.

Unfortunately the case I'm hoping for a solution to is when there's 2 categories on a profile based on two burials, but only 1 memorial exists. For example, they were interred 120 years ago, then 100 years ago disinterred and moved to a new cemetery. There's usually only a memorial for where the stone is presently, though there's a few intrepid "Gravers" who wouldn't hesitate to create the second one.

It may sound like a rare problem to deal with, but there's some locations where this is very common like Philadelphia. And there's some places where almost all of the cemeteries were relocated at least once, like San Francisco.

Jeff,

If it is creating a problem for you, then I would vote to be one of those intrepid gravers and create a 2nd memorial and make it a cenotaph pointing to the memorial with the stone. Unless of course the cemetery itself is no longer in existence.

I tried to find the example memorials for Johann Schmidt that you linked here on WikiTree, but have been unable to. Schmidt-8433 is somewhat close, but doesn't appear to be the same person.

Hoping by seeing him on WikiTree, I can check out how the two memorials are cited to prevent the cemetery report from getting stuck in "multiple" status.

Can you help me find him on WikiTree?

Jeff,

I have not put the memorials on WikiTree. They are currently only on FindaGrave. I recently made the connection between the two memorials and took over their management.

I had not put his information in WikiTree earlier because I was not able to document him until very recently. I have had limited time on WikiTree and didn't know about the cemetery reports here. Sorry if this was confusing and I if I misunderstood the question and thereby misdirected you.

Update: I have now added him to my family tree. [[Schmitt-6493|Johann Schmitt (1830-1903)]]
Oh OK, all good Laurel. Glad to hear from you all the same. :)
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regardless of my views on Find-a-Grave, which are well known, to my mind the final resting place should be the one categorized.  The bio can contain the data on first burial and transfer to the final resting place.  The FG link for the first one that is used as a source should have the |samesas=no added to it.

by Danielle Liard G2G6 Pilot (682k points)

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